Freidrich Merz canceled meetings to urgently call Ukrainian President Zelensky and the European leaders including French President Emmanuel Macron.
In a report on Thursday, Spiegel reported that in the call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and other European leaders, France’s Emmanuel Macron warned that the United States could insist that Ukraine make territorial concessions to Russia without guarantees to prevent future Russian aggression.
“There is a chance that the U.S. will betray Ukraine on territory without clarity on security guarantees,” he said, according to the magazine.
In the call that took place on Monday, Germany’s Friedrich Merz warned Zelenskiy that U.S. negotiators are “playing games” and that he should be “very careful” over the next few days, the Spiegel report said.
“The President did not express himself in these words,” Spiegel quoted the Élysée as saying.
The real problem is they don’t want the war to end unless they win it all. They want Ukraine in NATO and that’s one of the reasons the war started in the first place. The Europeans want us to fight their war for them. They don’t have armies to speak of and nothing to back up their demands.
Der Spiegel has obtained the transcript of a crisis phone call between Merz, Macron, Stubb, Volodymyr Zelensky and others on the peace talks. They deeply distrust the US negotiator. The feeling is mutual.
How It Went
German Chancellor Friedrich Merz warned Zelensky during a now leaked call: “You need to be extremely careful in the coming days. They [the Americans] are playing games, both with you and with us.”
Emmanuel Macron: The U.S. might “betray Ukraine on the issue of territory”
Alexander Stubb: “We must not leave Ukraine—or Volodymyr—alone with these guys.”
Mark Rutte: “We have to protect Volodymyr.”
I’m not saying I like what I heard of “the deal” but if Europe wants to run the show and have a say in any peace deal, they should step up with the big bucks and hardware as Autopen forced us to do.
Ukraine is losing vs russia, expand your reading
If Europe wants to buy American weapons and give them to Ukraine, and America has the weapons in abundance and can spare them, great. It creates jobs for Americans. It helps our trade exchange.
The US needs to stay out of the war, and out of Ukraine. Maybe out of Nato. The American voter should get an opportunity to vote on American membership in Nato.We can’t be the worlds police. Trying to be destroyed the British Empire. It will destroy America.
Other than commerce, we have no effective alliance with those 3 nations. But there are lots of European nations on our side. (Hungary, Slovakia, Austria, Italy, Belorussia, …) in opposing escalation of the war.
The enemy in this war is globalism. They caused the war, they want to escalate the war. British, German and French leaders are all globalist agents. If you think not, then explain to me why they are invading their own countries and repressing free speech.
It’s not a conspiracy at all. Trump’s foreign policy with respect to Ukraine is a redux of Neville Chamberlain and Hitler from 1938. Peace at any cost with dictators like Putin is just encouraging the next war.
That’s silly. Germany had every right to get the Sudetenland back. It’s lots like Russia had every right to get back Crimea and the Eastern republics, because they are Russian and were being mistreated.
And, there was no reason for Britain and France to declare war on Germany, after Germany and Russia invaded the aggressive Poland. Poland had already taken Lithuania and was threatening action in both directions.
Your foreign policy is for WW3 at any cost. You read too many of the wrong books.
The EU is facing collapse and needs to rob Russia of territory and resources to continue its march towards totalitarian fascism.
It’s can’t fight Russia; it is far too weak. So the solution? Get Ukraine in NATO, invoke article 5, get Russia and the US to destroy each other.
The EU is politically run by half wits and controlled by bankers who want to see as many ethnically European people dead as possible.
Project much Ivan?
Someone brings up the Neville Chamberlain narrative, and we are supposed to think that there is some intellectual strength there. No sale.
That is a good summary.
US needs to withdrawal from NATO and tell the EU and Ukraine you are on your own. No more US taxpayer money for any of them. Time to rebuild the old USA.
Remember he did it last time, this time CONgress wrote a law he cannot remove us sadly.
So let the entirety of eastern Europe to the tender mercies of Russia/Putin. Yes screw western Europe but not the east.
That’s propaganda language.
Most of eastern Europe wants no part of the war and does not fear invasion. Poland’s new leader is anti-war. Traveling south down to Moldavia and Romania, there may be some sentiment to support the war there.
I’m sick of Europe. They are more than worthless. Our ancestors knew what they were. Nothing has changed. We need to limit our help to Europe. Let them fight their own wars. They no longer share our values. Free speech is gone. They have the thought police and will jail you. The EU is authoritarian and a menace to us. They hate us. We need to end trade and bring our military home from Europe. One day, they will attempt to lob a nuclear bomb on us. We need the Golden Dome ASAP. I feel very strongly about this. They are not our friends.
It’s not so much they are nothing; they’ve become diminished to fascism due to mass migration. Mass migration will always lead to fascism; it’s the only way to maintain order in balkanized nations.
We should leave NATO. The risk of nuclear war has become too great.
the risk of nuclear war is near zero, Putin is not suicidal.
If the west tries to push into Russia, Russia will use nuclear weapons if it runs out of options. And it should, since it has the right to exist. We are encircling them, not the other way around.
You are another one of the NWO/globalist types that minimizes the possibility and effects of nuclear war. Go form a Nuland fan club.
as long as Russia remains a predator nation is is the height of folly to abandon Europe. Always Russia gets a bye from you folks and then you project project project. No one is our friend, get over that.
As long as the corrupt west continues to violate neutrality agreements, run coups, and encircle Russia, it is the problem.
You are unable to cite anything, it is all rhetoric.
Macroni was fooled by Germany’s betrayal. How is he so keen on thinking we are betraying him and we don’t even live next door?
They got caught snorting cocaine on a train leaving Kiev and Zelenskiy is a professional grade coke head so they are all related; drug related. The US should prosecute them for racketeering; RICO act, violations.
and should you be sued for your slander too? I’m sure US law applies ANYWHERE in Europe.
You still are scoring a ZERO on anything to support Europe in the war, it is all rhetoric.
I’m sure Putin is going to make peace and GIVE up all he has captured in UKr….not. It’s a stupid way to go to the ‘negotiating table’, not being willing to compromise. Is NATO ready to fight Russian with UKr? I doubt they have the resources, yet they are complaining about their strongest ally? Russia could finish them in a week. Let the war play out. Keep us out of it.
Russia has been shown to be a paper tiger. NATO without the US is more than capable of beating Russia, who are you kidding Ivan. #2 Russia could not beat #28 Ukraine and in coming to this point they have practically no offensive capabilities left. They’ve lost the naval war in the Black Sea to a country with no navy. I doubt you’ve thought any of this through.
That’s the same line when war hawks were saying Russia would be quickly defeated. We all see how that turned out.
Yes, the purpose of the “Russia will lost fast” propaganda was to tell Americans that the war will not be hard so we need to dive in.
I remember 2 weeks in the junk media was saying Russia is running out of fuel and food.
You again show a propagandist basic lack of understanding.
It’s all rhetoric. Russia’s plan never included taking Ukraine, it was spelled out for all to read. It was to rightfully take the eastern republics. The claim that “Russia could not take Ukraine” is obvious propaganda. It is what we get from the WSJ, WP, NYT.
So, Russia with no offensive capabilities will invade eastern Europe? How so? You just contradicted yourself. Russia lost the Black Sea, to no navy? How so? The Black Sea has an inlet 1/4 mile wide. The West would suffer badly if it tried to enter.
Our USA will not join into a WW3 military adventure. If we did, Trump would have an awful legacy and betray one of his main promises.
I once asked Copilot what would have happened if the United States hadn’t entered the European war during World War II. The answer was surprising: Russia would likely have defeated Germany, shifting the balance of Europe. Today, we see France and much of the EU positioning themselves for a broader conflict—perhaps to distract their citizens from the abysmal conditions within their own countries. Yet collectively, they cannot assemble a fighting force capable of defeating Russia. As much as they resent America, they still expect us to jump in and bleed for them. They can dismiss that thought. America won’t be there this time.
Ask Copilot what would have happened if the United States had joined Germany to wipe out communism in Russia. (like Patton said we should have)
In polls, half of Americans sided with Germany, including Henry Ford and Charles Lindberg who made public speaches supporting Hitler.
Stalin had killed his officer corps in the mid 1930s and his army was in disarray. and Russia was totally lulled into complacency, even though Joe got direct warnings from Churchill and Roosevelt from their intelligence that Hitler was planning to attack, because they were selling lots to raw materials to the Third Reich. The USSR was totally unprepared to resist the German army and only the US giving “Lend/Lease” that stopped a German vicory. Lend/Lease never would have happened if the US had not entered the war because half of Americans sided with Germany. No way the USSR would have beaten the Germans on their own.
most people dismiss or ignore the value of Lend Lease to the Soviets.
Without the US involvement there would have been no lend lease, and barbarossa would have collapsed Russia and maybe the rest of the allied EU.
Russia would have lost without the US. The numbers are staggering. US aircraft, US parts for Russian aircraft, US oil and gas, US trucks and logistical support, About 1/4 of all Sherman tanks delivered to or lost supplying Russia. In 1944 alone, the US made more war supplies than the rest of the world—-COMBINED. What the Russians were able to produce occurred because factories were moved east of the Ural Mountains. They would have never been safe without US supplies keeping the Soviets in the fight. Most important, without Japan bombing Pearl Harbor (US enters war) the Japanese eventually would have re-attacked in Siberia. Zhukov and his armored divisions could have never been moved west to support Stalingrad. The loss of Stalingrad would have sealed the fate of the Soviets, as much as it sealed the fate of NAZI’s.
the Soviets got most of their aviation fuel from Lend Lease also.
Doesn’t surprise me at all. They are all globalists. Their main mission is to take down the USA because we are the only ones that can stop this one world tyrannical government that they want to put us under even if they have to start WW3 to do it. The European people need to pick better leaders before they become extinct.
The US should just walk away from the entire mess…
We have no real allies, or friends…
It’s all a big drag on us…
1) Get out of NATO. 2) Cut all military subsidies to the European cabal (England, France, Germany and their like minded) who effectively hate us. 3) Withdraw US Military from same cabal. 4) Continue to support our true friends, whoever they might be.
I am not suggesting that we abandon all cooperation, but we must not have our troops in harms way to protect the contra-productive policies of others.
Start pulling out of NATO immediately, in select locations. They have told us who they are and what they intend to do. “We have to protect our cash cow.”
Why more than ever we need to step out and wash our hands.
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