Democrats say the Red Flag database cannot include gang databases

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Democrats advanced a new measure this week to encourage states to pass “red flag” laws. These so-called extreme risk protection orders authorize removing guns and ammunition from individuals deemed as dangerous by some anonymous, unaccountable person, but it would not include the ready-made lists of gang members.

Republicans tried to add an amendment including known gang members, but the Democrats will not permit the inclusion of gang databases. It’s odd since gangs are the ones causing most of the so-called gun violence.

They would agree to include the names of white supremacists, but not other terror groups.

The House Judiciary rejected any effort by Republicans to include gang databases since they are worried about people mistakenly taken for a gang member. They brought up the ‘no-fly, no-buy’ list which was filled with inaccuracies, but Rep. Ken Buck, a Colorado Republican, who hoped to amend the measure to include gang databases, reminded the Democrats the restrictions for placing someone on a gang database are much tougher than the no-fly list.

“This is a situation where the police officers are trained, and there are very identifiable signs, and it isn’t just one sign,” Buck told Chair Jerrold Nadler.

Democratic Rep. Eric Swalwell, of California, offered to support the amendment if Buck agreed to include those listed “individuals affiliated with white nationalism.”

Buck agreed, but said the language should include “any type of supremacy.”

“Let’s add Costa Nostra to this,” Buck added.

Democrats were uninterested and the amendment ultimately failed.

Rep. Doug Collins of Georgia called out Democrats for their hypocrisy, reminding the committee of a ‘sit-in’ on the House floor during which the GOP majority in 2016 could not conduct business until they passed, ‘no-fly, no-buy” to prevent people on the no-fly list from purchasing guns.

“It’s amazing to me,” Collins said. “We had a large blow-up on the floor of this House just a couple years ago about the No-Fly, No-Buy list, which was shown to have issues, but at that point, nobody from the other side brought this as a concern, and now we are bringing it as a concern,” Collins said.

“If we can’t bring this list up, even with the due process put in, then don’t ever bring the No-Fly, No-Buy list up again.”

“Don’t ever bring it up again because there is no due process on that list.”

IT’S MORE THAN HYPOCRITICAL, IT’S A VIOLATION OF OUR CIVIL RIGHTS

It’s more than hypocrisy, it’s the furtherance of a two-tiered justice system with only one party getting what they want.

The real irony here is that they won’t put gang members in the database but these same people aren’t the least bit concerned about reports by anyone about anyone. Joe Blow reports his neighbor, no problem, put him in the database. There is no problem with putting the mentally handicapped in the database as if all of them were a threat.

They also don’t care about due process and have taken the first step towards abolishing it with these laws. They will put in the names of white supremacists but not other terrorists.

Law-abiding citizens can have their rights violated but not gang members or terrorists.

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  • And of course, since the Senate has to pass it and the President sign it, like 1980’s Speaker of the House Tip O’Neil said, it’s “dead on arrival”.

    • Even as Nazis have been called “right wing”, which was merely to create a false “polar distinction” that justified our alliance with the left wing Soviets against Germany during WWII, Nazis and Communists are of a nearly identical, totalitarian, murderous, government-worshiping world view. None of these despotic movements, including supremacists and other social tyrants of whatever race and flavor (including many local HOAs and small groups of control-loving mentality, incidentally), have anything to do with American patriots, who stand alongside those who have already fought and died for freedom, prosperity, opportunity, and respect among all people. It is the anti-patriots who have screamed so constantly and hypocritically for “democracy”, while endlessly demanding that other people change their views and ways of life, rather than expressing their existing views. It is they who push to convert free, individual choice into conformity with the group-think, lock-step, ultimately government enforced, authoritarian “utopia”, where all individuality and cultural distinction is homogenized into a fascist (fully conforming, united, and uncritically loyal) social order.

  • This IS the way Red Flag Laws will happen. It already has in a few states…

    It’s a Sunday night and your family has all gone to bed. You let the dogs back in and lock the deadbolt like you do every night. All the lights are off now except a couple of night lights scattered throughout the house leaving that dim glow throughout your home. It’s bedtime and work and school are going to come early in the morning. You crawl in bed, kiss your wife and drift off to sleep being thankful for the air conditioning that allows you to pull that heavy quilt up over your shoulder despite the fact it’s still 85 degrees outside. A few hours pass…

    0200 Monday morning and your wife taps your leg and says, “baby I heard something outside”. As you sit up in bed you hear the dog growling in the living room and you know something isn’t right. You grab that trusty ‘ol 870 and head into the living room. Your wife grabs her 9mm and heads down the hall to the kids rooms just like you have rehearsed. “Good boy” you say as you enter the living room, trying to calm both the dog and your wife just as splinters fly across the room and the front door flies open. “Oh shit!” As you shoulder your weapon and send a load of 00 Buck across your living room and see the perpetrator fall in a heap. Before the “thank God” can even run across your brain, you see a second man coming in the door and you fire again. This time you hear the pop of your wife’s 9mm as she has joined in the fight. It has to be those damn meth heads from down in town! Just then you are consumed by a wall of bullets as you see multiple muzzle flashes from just outside the door and you realize something isn’t right. You turn to yell at your wife to “get down” just in time to see her take a load of buckshot to the face and her brain matter splatter the wall behind her. You feel the burning as 5.56 rounds riddle your body. One clips your spine as you’re scrambling away and paralyzes your lower body. The last thing you see before you bleed out is a SWAT guy from your local PD holding your teenage daughter on the floor with a knee in her back as she screams and cries because she just watched her parents being murdered.

    Why did this happen? You’re no criminal. You’re a Conservative and an honest family man. Your wife is a school teacher and your daughters are on honor roll. Why did this happen?

    Well two days ago, you and your wife went down to welcome the new neighbors to the community. Your wife made them some of her “world famous” cookies and you invited them to church on Sunday. Later that afternoon, you got a friend request on Facebook from your new neighbor, which you gladly accepted. They seemed a little odd, but in the few minutes you talked they were pleasant enough. The next day while you and your family sat in church, your new neighbor scrolled through your Facebook profile. He saw that “Trump 2020” post and got infuriated because he’s a staunch liberal and he hates your kind. The next thing he sees are the hunting pictures you took last fall when your daughter bagged her first buck. Now he’s seething with fury because he is wholeheartedly against the “slaughter of innocent animals”. Next he sees your post from the last range day with your buddy and sees those scary black assault weapons on the table and that does it! He has to do something about the racist, right wing extremist, domestic terrorist living next door. He picks up the phone, calls the local Sheriffs Office and reports you as a threat under the new Red Flag law. The Sheriffs Office follows their SOP’s and conducts a no knock warrant because you have now been denied due process and you are considered guilty until proven innocent.

    Now you, your lovely wife and two deputies have been killed for nothing. Your daughter will have absolute hell for the rest of her life. She will never be that successful person you dreamed for her to be because of the mental tragedy caused from seeing her parents murdered. The local news paper will report that you were killed after firing-on, and killing, two deputies and that “over a thousand rounds of ammo and 22 guns were confiscated from your residence”.

    Oh… those two deputies were just following orders. They left behind families as well and had served their community for over a decade. They didn’t know you were a stand-up guy with a great family. They weren’t allowed time to investigate things under due process. They were told you had threatened your neighbor and were out in the street waving an AR15 around.

    This is the reality of Red Flag gun laws. Innocent people will lose their lives, including police serving these unconstitutional no-knock warrants. Red Flag laws will be used for petty and vengeful reasons without merit by gun hating liberals who believe if you own guns, that it somehow automatically makes you a threat to society and therefore you are a right wing extremist domestic terrorist who MUST be stopped and neutralized at all costs (for the safety of others).

    Do not forget that ALL gun laws are an infringement of your rights!

  • But these are their friends, you can’t expect the Democrats to take gang criminals weapons. The only people left in the Democrat party are the perverted, the weak minded, the grifters, and the lady but not least, the Gimmie something for nothing crew. Obama gonna pay our mortgages. Druggies hang together, doctors hang together, Democrats and gangs hang together.

  • The President is mute, most Republicans are mute offering support for this violation of several basic rights. The right to bear arms, the prohibition of property seizure, the pursuit of happiness, liberty and subsequent laws regarding due process, rights to confront the accuser, and presumption of innocence. Do we need more to rule this whole charade illegal? Seems we have no defenders because the Liberal media is crucifying anyone opposed based upon the rights outlined above. Votes matter. The left plays the lawfare game as setup by Clinton’s in don’t ask don’t tell. More than 35 States passed laws against sane sex marriages preferring civil unions to preserve the institution of marriage. Liberal judges negated direct votes by the people. We get lectured by Obama regarding the Supreme Courts possibility of declaring ACA unconstitutional with his line that it passed by overwhelming majority. One vote actually after parliamentarian games to declare it a budgetary bill. Majority, voice of the people? Media reports false polls over and over as propaganda to convince the populace that the majority are for gun control. They use terms like uncontrolled gun violence yet crime has gone down since the last assault weapon ban expired. This during the largest growth of weapon purchases in our Nations history, crime went down. Most crime occurs in major cities but where is the cry to clean them up. We get straw man white supremacy and militia bad actors that don’t exist. The lawfare game they will play is seizing your lawful property using state paid actors and bankrupting the individual to get their lawful property back after illegal state sanctioned confiscation. Most will give up as the bills mount, another boon for Democratic lawyers. No I will not vote for Trump nor any Republican who goes along with any of this. I prefer my ideological opponents in front of me rather than stabbing me in the back. With social scores being pushed by leftists even voicing my opinion as another basic right freedom of speech is attacked and used as proof you are a threat. How about yet another basic right violation making NRA memberships illegal, does that fall under freedom of association? The Left and Democratic politicians are dismantling the Constitution and Republicans and the President are helping.

  • Why take guns away from minority groups that are responsible for the majority of gun violence? That’s racist. Dems are scared of those fighting tyranny, not those using guns as part of their criminal money earning schemes.

  • The Democrats know that we are prepared and eager to use our legal guns to kill liberals and Democrats who want to disarm and enslave us. We saw this happen in Venezuela and 100% of all nations who converted to socialism or communism. The Democrats have no problem with their ‘friends and supporters’ having guns (other liberals, gangs, criminals, Antifa, Black Panthers, etc. anyone who hates America and true patriots), but they have to find a way to take our only means of self-protection and self-defense. And yes, I eagerly await the day when we have had enough, and are finally able to say ‘kill the enemies to this country, no bag limit, no remorse, no guilt”.

  • The fuller evolution of red flag laws lies ahead. First, it will be people who either have a real concern or they simply want to sic government on people that they don’t like. Next, it will be institutions like schools and leftist corporations like Google or Dick’s recruiting those under their control to look for opportunities to expose people who own guns. This is potentially set to evolve into a society-wide witch hunt, where everyone who owns guns is ultimately reported to authorities, just like the reporting of people who might be disloyal to the state. It could be better for leftists and other traitors than gun registration, since it is all geared toward exposing gun owners to the scrutiny of the whole society.

  • As if we need another reason to flush these unconstitutional laws. Politicians on both sides who support this notion will regret the day they ever heard of red flag laws. They’re so incendiary, they could cost the president his deserved reelection. Their legacies will carry a Supreme Court scolding and perhaps be the landmark of their careers.

    Writers, politicians and demonstrators have been hoodwinked by Bloomberg’s rhetoric and haven’t read his 2018 data. It reveals gun homicides declined seven percent, firearm injuries declined 10 percent, fatal child shootings (under 18) declined 12 percent and unintentional shootings plummeted 21 percent.

    Generally, since 1991, the murder rate has fallen by 45 percent and the overall violent crime rate has fallen by 48 percent. It’s bizarre that Bloomberg wants to change all that. Since 1999, the statistical probability of a student being killed in school by a gun has been one in 614,000,000.

    Inexplicably, Bloomberg wants everyone to believe the nation is in crisis, suffering an epidemic. Folks, there is no crisis, no epidemic. Generally, shooting incidents involving students have been declining since the ’90s.

    During that time, citizens were buying a record number of firearms. In 2018, more than 26 million firearms were purchased, a number exceeded only by 27.5 million in 2016 when purchasers were mortified that Hillary might be elected.

    The Supreme Court isn’t about to jeopardize its own reputation by reducing the ability of private citizens to defend themselves. It’s especially important because currently, half the nation’s murders occur in only 63 counties while the other half are spread across the other 3,081 counties. Said another way, 15 percent had one murder and 54 percent of the nation’s counties had no murders at all.

    Besides, they’re sick of our paralyzed congress creating ambiguous laws that ultimately land in the Supreme Court. They know it’s easy to blame the tools used for murder and to write acts that impede acquisition by peaceable, lawful citizens.

    They know it’s far more difficult to focus on the more complex reality of why incomprehensible murderers do what they do. If something is to be done, perhaps it should be focused on the mental defectives, criminals, terrorists and illegal aliens.

  • And there ya go: Proof positive that “Red Flag Laws” are not about public safety or crime prevention, but a political weapon.

  • It’s the Joos silly. Disarming whites, see Noahide Laws signed by Bush Sr.decades ago! John 2:22-23 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also
    http://esau.today/100-reasons-israelites-are-white/
    http://vikingalthing.org/article/quotes-holy-talmud-hell-anyone-want-expel-people/
    The takeover is so complete we have no idea. We have 501c3 corporations masquerading as churches, if they fail to stay in their lane and preach prohibited material they lose their tax exempt status. So they tell us that those who hate Christ are chosen while those who meet all the prophecies, promises, curses marks and blessings of scriptures given unto Israel are not? We are being denied a homeland and self-protection all the while FOREIGNERS ARE Given protected status? Wake up white folks! Noahide laws are here and the GOP is doing NOTHING to protect us.