Why are we on a mission to overreact to the failings of our country and our people by joining in on our own America bashing? Is the image of our Marines urinating on dead Taliban soldiers the crime of the century or is it simply tasteless and wrong? Should we wait to hear what transpired before they did it? What they did is not acceptable but what they need is a reprimand not an overreaction. Have people forgotten the Taliban beheadings and the acid thrown in young school girl’s faces?
Gen. Patton did his public urinating, not on a dead body, but into the enemy’s most famous river, The Rhine. His Third Army was the first Allied army to cross it and take the war on the ground past that last German barrier. A photographer caught the act as Patton stood in the middle of a pontoon bridge and directed his stream defiantly into the enemy’s larger one.
War is Hell, there are minimal rules for the living and none for the dead. the Taliban does not even recognize the Geneva convention.
People need to withhold judgment on the Marines who urinated on the dead Taliban before they condemn them unlike Hillary Clinton, the same Hillary Clinton who claimed she ducked non-existant sniper fire. We need to know the facts surrounding the event.
People have forgotten the image of our Blackwater men being dragged, beaten, tortured and hung over the sides of bridges by the Taliban. I’m not saying this urinating on the dead is right, I’m saying, let’s put it in perspective. Col. Allen West and Dana Loesch best expressed my opinion, and, oddly, I agree with Bill Maher.
Dana Loesch, a CNN analyst and a radio show host, said on her show Thursday:
“Can someone explain to me if there’s supposed to be a scandal that someone pees on the corpse of a Taliban fighter? Someone who, as part of an organization, murdered over 3,000 Americans? I’d drop trou and do it too. That’s me though. I want a million cool points for these guys. Is that harsh to say? Come on people, this is a war. What do you think this is?”
CNN said her opinions are her own, shortly after this aired.
Allen West on Marine video: ‘Unless you have been shot at by the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is hell’
U.S. Rep. Allen West, R-Plantation, says the Marines shown in an internet video apparently urinating on Taliban corpses should be punished, but “all these over-emotional pundits and armchair quarterbacks need to chill.”
West offered his reaction in an e-mail to The Weekly Standard, a conservative magazine and website.
West is a 22-year Army combat veteran whose military career ended after a 2003 incident in which he fired a gun near the head of an Iraqi detainee to scare him into divulging details of a suspected ambush. West, initially charged with assault, ended up being relieved of his command, paying a $5,000 fine and retiring as a lieutenant colonel with a full pension.
West’s e-mail details incidents in which U.S. troops or military contractors were killed and had their bodies desecrated. His e-mail concludes:
“The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment under field grade level Article 15 (non-judicial punishment), place a General Officer level letter of reprimand in their personnel file, and have them in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude by singing the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a teleprompter.
“As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is hell.”
Bill Maher expressed qualified support for the Marines and implied it wasn’t a big deal while the messy poodle, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who has never served in wartime, condemned it not knowing the facts. Bill Maher said… it depends on what they did…if they were real Taliban and if they were people who burned down girls schools, you know, and do honor rapes and throw acid on peoples faces, I’m not that upset about pissing on them dead or alive –
Mark Levin’s response is in strong support –
And what we should be saying: “Let this be a lesson to everyone of you subhumans who plots against America and tries to kill American citizens. We don’t give a damn who you are! We don’t give a damn what you believe! And we don’t give a damn if you’re offended! Because we’re going to hunt you down and kill you and then humiliate you after you’re killed! Got it?!
If people are worried about respect, perhaps they should consider the elephant dung on portraits of the Blessed Mother. Then there is “Piss Christ,” an artist’s photo of a crucifix soaked in his urine. Let’s not forget the ants on the portrait of Christ. Where was Debbie Wasserman Schultz then? This is war. People are shocked about what? Soldiers to kill in defense of our country and then we are shocked that they urinate on the dead enemy?
From Godfather Politics: Where were our government officials when artist and photographer Andres Serrano unveiled his “Piss Christ”? It was a photograph of a “small plastic crucifix submerged in a glass of the artist’s urine. The piece was a winner of the Southeastern Center for Contemporary Art’s ‘Awards in the Visual Arts’ competition, which is sponsored in part by the National Endowment for the Arts, a United States Government agency that offers support and funding for artistic projects.”
What was the response from the art community? Here’s one example:
The art critic Lucy R. Lippard has presented a constructive case for the formal value of Serrano’s Piss Christ, which she characterizes as mysterious and beautiful. She writes that the work is “a darkly beautiful photographic image… the small wood and plastic crucifix becomes virtually monumental as it floats, photographically enlarged, in a deep rosy glow that is both ominous and glorious.” Lippard suggests that the formal values of the image can be regarded separately from other meanings.
In 2010, there was the ants on the crucifix video that was being shown at the Smithsonian’s National Portrait Gallery, another government-funded institution. It was later moved to the Museum of Modern Art in New York.
Wendy Olsoff, a co-owner of the New York City art gallery that manages Wojnarowicz’s work, said the artist frequently used animals and insects to represent metaphors for interactions in human society. “This was not hate speech,” she said. “It’s a compassionate look at how we live. He’s overlaying the insect world on the human world. … And he used ants in a series of surreal images, using them on guns, clocks and toy soldiers.”
The urinating Marines could argue that all they were doing was engaging in “performance art” that was designed to serve as a metaphor for interactions in human society. And what does the metaphor represent? They were pissed off in seeing their fellow-soldiers killed and for their government sending them off to fight senseless wars.
It’s OK to blow the enemy apart and bath them in blood — and a lot of innocent people as well — but don’t you dare urinate on them after you just killed them.
Just one man’s opinion.